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Post by Pally on Oct 16, 2006 21:57:22 GMT -5
Here's something that should draw peoples attention and start some serious discussion.
How does Sikhism percieve homosexuality? Is it right? Wrong? Acceptible with certain terms? (I know I have yet to recieve a straight forward answer, since the topic is so sensitive)
How do YOU see homosexuality? In what ways have Culture influenced your opinion?
******This is a touch subject, so please (PLEASE) refrain from attacking comments and offensive remarks. Keep in mind the type of forum you are posting on.******
Pally
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Post by Gurinder on Oct 16, 2006 22:20:03 GMT -5
This will really get the pot stirring.
There are personal views and their are cultural/religious views on this.
I cant comment on the religious aspect, because I do not know enough about that.
I do believe that it is genetic and made up in your personal DNA and not influenced by the people around you.
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Post by Raminder on Oct 16, 2006 22:31:29 GMT -5
I’ve had this discussion with many people of varying stances on this touchy subject.
From a religious aspect I've heard that the Akal Takht banned gay marriages(verification needed) I have also heard that in the Guru Granth Sahib there is a passage that relates to marriage between a man and a wife (I don’t know the verse or whom it was written by...I could be wrong on this one)
And from a cultural aspect, the Punjabi community is very conservative compared to say...the mainstream white people, and it currently seems that it would be difficult for the Punjabi community to tolerate gay marriages from occurring.
My personal point of view is that homosexuality is a biological occurrence. Although gay people may seem strange to some they are still human beings and still deserve basic human rights that non-gay people deserve.
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Post by singh on Oct 16, 2006 22:55:43 GMT -5
Hey guys,
As a personal and religious answer. i would like to answer this quesiton first with religious content. One of the three golden rules of Guru Nanak Dev Ji is that equallity, the purpose of langar, and we all the gurus stood up for justices and equallity for all human beings. We are no one to judge what that persons beliefs what their sexuality is. Personally if the the supreme court of the Sikhs has said that they will not marry the couples of the same sex in the gurdwara that is fine. But they did not say they are against it or for it, which i guess is playing the politics. Personally i dont think there is any thing wrong with homosexuality, and everyone is born with certain karms (deeds) and what ever is in ther karma will be given to them. In this world or in any other nothing in even moves without the guru's kirpa.
We are all bound by our destiny...
Guru Ram Das wrote the wedding Lawah for his own wedding which get recited at every wedding. The whole point of the wedding lawah is to be have a closer relationship with god. IN MY PERSONAl opinion i dont think it matters if it is between a man and women or man and man or women and women.
If we talk about equalilty then we should also practice it.
i am trying to look for a quote if i find it from the Guru Granth Sahib Jee than i will post it
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Post by sangram on Oct 16, 2006 23:19:00 GMT -5
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Post by Gurinder on Oct 16, 2006 23:39:12 GMT -5
*loads a gun* She is worse than Hitler (to an extent)
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Post by Harman on Oct 17, 2006 0:13:04 GMT -5
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Post by sharon.k™ on Oct 17, 2006 1:22:53 GMT -5
A lot of times people don't like to think or talk about topics such as these because they don't feel it relates to them, or they think it is just plain out wrong. I beg to differ. What if you knew someone who was gay? What if it was your sister, your brother, your uncle, or your friend? Would you treat them with distrespect and hatred or would it be a "different story" then because you had a personal connection? I agree with Parm's comments on equalilty. We must remember that it was one of the first teachings by Guru Nanak Dev Ji, equality for all women and men, regardless of religion or class. You can't have equality in some aspects and not in others, therefore I believe equality also extends to sexual orientation. No matter what your orientation, our Guru's taught us to treat everyone in an equal and fair manner. They also told us to stick up for those who have fallen, therefore, it is also our duty as Sikhs to stand up for someone when they are being targeted, including homosexuals/bisexuals, etc. That's just what I think. Sorry if I offended anyone.  |
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Post by Pally on Oct 17, 2006 1:57:22 GMT -5
Regarding those videos, I am appalled. Completely appalled. Do you think it is possible for people to actually misconstrue the words of Guru Ji to a point where it is not even His words anymore?
Every religion, and I mean EVERY religion, preaches equality. Sit down and read the bible, the Quran, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, the Tora. Not once will you find a message where inequality is emphasized.
Just...appalling.
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Post by sharon.k™ on Oct 17, 2006 3:02:03 GMT -5
Regarding those videos, I am appalled. Completely appalled. Do you think it is possible for people to actually misconstrue the words of Guru Ji to a point where it is not even His words anymore? Every religion, and I mean EVERY religion, preaches equality. Sit down and read the bible, the Quran, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, the Tora. Not once will you find a message where inequality is emphasized. Just...appalling. it's disgusting. that woman and her family are disgusting.  And to see those young children holding up the signs. That was so sad, to think - they're going to grow up to preach like her. |
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Post by Pally on Oct 17, 2006 3:12:27 GMT -5
Regarding those videos, I am appalled. Completely appalled. Do you think it is possible for people to actually misconstrue the words of Guru Ji to a point where it is not even His words anymore? Every religion, and I mean EVERY religion, preaches equality. Sit down and read the bible, the Quran, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, the Tora. Not once will you find a message where inequality is emphasized. Just...appalling. it's disgusting. that woman and her family are disgusting. And to see those young children holding up the signs. That was so sad, to think - they're going to grow up to preach like her. She has to be somewhat brainwashed. You can see it in her eyes, she has somewhat of a cult mentality going on. Ok, no..She IS a cult member. But what can you do when the surroundings your brought up in are of these beliefs? A child picks up environmental conditions very quickly as a child, since their mind is blank and sensitive to all exposures. If a child is brought up in a violent, almost-cult-like home, then you would expect the child to exhibit the same morals as those around them. She has been conditioned to think the way she does, and she has passed on those ideas to her children..who will then pass them onto their children. Maybe someone can break the chain and change the family for their well being.  Pally |
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Post by Mez on Oct 17, 2006 6:11:44 GMT -5
I don't really think its JUST biologically. I think there could be something genetic, but certain factors or instances in your life will sort of push you either one way or the other.
However, I agree with whats being said here, that its still equality, and honestly, we do not have the right to pass judgement on others. There's a quote (I think) in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji about this that goes like "Hum Nahi Change, Bura Nahi Koi"
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Post by kh on Oct 17, 2006 18:06:14 GMT -5
I watched part one, and half of part 2, and couldn't watch more; that woman is a moron. Religious wise, I don't really know much about this subject. Personally, I feel kind of neutral. I don't think it's wrong, but I don't think it's right, either. I think love, marriage, etc. should be between a man and a woman. However, this is Canada, everybody has the right to choose. And at the end of the day, I should ask to myself who am I to tell people (don't really have a clue of a good estimation) who they are allowed to love. That is just my personal belief, and I don't think it's right, but yet that's how I feel. If everybody has the right to their opinion, beliefs and thoughts, I can too, right? I think that this topic wouldn't even have been as big as it is in the world today within religion and everyday life. Society and the media (in general) just picks one side, then everybody runs with it. If somebody in power or with a respected opinion went out (when many years ago this wasn't a big issue) that they were "gay", and everybody else would too, we would have be having the exact opposite conversation right now. Hmm, I didn't really make sense there too much, just too myself.  Hope you understand lol. |
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Post by virk on Oct 18, 2006 16:16:43 GMT -5
Regarding the video, I wouldnt pay too much attention to it, the media just plays it up for the anger factor. They're are people who think crazy things and tend to get a disproprtionate amount of attention. I saw it a few months ago on TV, its pretty much what Fox News does (sensationalize).
I'm going to go a little against the grain here and say that yes, Sikhs should respect everyone equally, but I don't think gay marriage is exactly valid (in Sikhism). Guru Ji said that marriage is between a man and woman, and the reasons are quite simple and logical, the purpose of marriage is to reproduce, what would be the purpose of a gay marriage (in Sikhism)?
Regarding the Gay marriage issue in Canada, I have nothing against it and I don't think that is an issue in Sikhism, since its a political one, all we answer for is what is in our religion (and gurdwara).
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Post by sunny on Oct 19, 2006 1:21:42 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but these days it seems almost cool to be homosexual. I saw this documentary on tv a while ago about all these teenagers who were saying that they had gay experiences and that it was something that all the kids did. I know that at my old highschool, a lot of people "came out of the closet" in senior year or after. I don't know, but it seems like people are saying that they are bi/gay just because everyone else is doing it. I mean, yeah kids are confused and stuff..but to claim to be something you're not just to fit in is not cool. A few kids in the documentary even said that they didn't know why they were gay, or that their friend was so they just wanted to see what it was like.
That's pretty messed up. I'm fine with people being gay, but only if that's what they truly feel comfortable being.
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Hope you understand lol.